But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? PO BOX 346. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. I was able to better understand the New Testament. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! I really dont know how to describe it. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward decision and has nothing to do with your salvation. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. It should be free. A couple of things. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. 5.) -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. 4. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. There's only one way to heaven, and that . But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. This again cannot be proven from history. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. It was horrible. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Smokers use breath mints. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. But God knows his heart. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. If you dont already, try it some time. The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. I cannot know. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. . The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. Im not sure about this one. Thats all. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Its so good knowing that we have an advocate with the Father that helps us to do that very thing. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. INDEPENDENT This simply means that the church stands alone, free of any governing denomination, convention or council. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. Tithing is not for God. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. Tithing is a good thing to do & I believe God can be glorified if done with right heart, intent & purporses. 4.) No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. The cause is clear. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. Hope youll check it out. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Lynne, , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). The ordinance of baptism, or 2. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. . Would you agree with me on this? Unaccountable. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. 5) shun folks that have left the church http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Thank you. . Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? . CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. Jesus quoted the old testament. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. 13:8-10). He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. But not all Baptist churches are that way! New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. KJV Church Directory. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources. BEREAN BAPTIST CHURCH. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. So what is the solution? We never shun people who leave the church. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. You place too much value on modern denominational history. Look at Ezekiel 33. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world.